Tag: church leadership

2_06: Dr. Jon Roebuck – Actually talk with people… don’t just preach at them.

2_06: Dr. Jon Roebuck – Actually talk with people… don’t just preach at them.

Breakthrough ideas with Jon:

  • How can a church stay relevant to their culture?
  • How can a church stay relational to the communities in which God has placed them?
  • How can a church remain resolute to their DNA and their calling?
  • If you will create physical space, you allow conversations to begin to happen, that are meaningful and perspective-altering,
  • We create better communities if we have better churches, and we create better churches if we have better leaders.
  • Ask yourself: what does the world around me need, and how can I begin to instill into my people this heart for ministry?
  • Community ministry is messy, it’s inconvenient, it’s expensive, it’s all of that, but it’s the right thing to do.
  • Baptists tend to hang out with Baptists, Methodists with Methodists, Presbyterians with Presbyterians, and so we don’t necessarily have an appreciation for what good work other denominations are doing. How might that change?
  • In most urban areas like ours in Nashville, nobody is connecting the dots across the denominational lines.
  • We’re beginning to see that the work in Nashville is more significant than what our church and our denomination can tackle.
  • At the local church level, what does it look like for us to be a good neighbor or contributing partner to our community?
  • What if we stopped telling our community what their needs are, but asked them to tell us what their needs are?
  • Just by the fact that we’ve opened physical space, we begin to enter into conversational space.
  • If you have enough conversations, you begin to develop relational space, where you start to engage at a different level.
  • There’s a movement from physical space to conversational, to relational, to redemptive space, and ultimately to reflective space.
  • If you create space, even physical space, in your building for the right conversations, amazing things are going to happen.
  • Be willing to invite people into your space. It’s not going to damage your church. It’s not going to damage your theology.
  • What we don’t have in our culture is, we don’t have the safe, rational, civil dialog space.
  • So, where do people go to have safe conversations about important things? It ought to be the church.
  • Why is the church not a place that important conversations can take place?
  • Forty million Americans in the last 25 years have left the church because they get judgment, and they get condemnation instead of conversation.
  • We’re too busy preaching at people to listen to what they have to say in return.
  • I believe a lot of our pastors don’t have a vision beyond the seat they’re sitting in right now, beyond the next Sunday.
  • How do you carve out space, even in your ministry, to develop relationships outside of your comfort zone?
  • I’m not going to learn to truly reach others if I surround myself with only people who look like me, who think like me, and who believe like me.
  • The number one problem with the 21st-century, American Christianity, is that lack of evangelistic zeal.
  • If we don’t understand the lies, we can’t speak the truth.
  • In the body of Christ, we tend to lead with the truth we know versus understanding the lies they know and then bringing God’s truth to that.
  • You will never get to that high plateau of doing God’s will unless you’re doing God’s will for your life today.
  • So look for God’s will along the way, not just in the here and the hereafter somewhere.

Breakthrough resources in this episode:

Belmont University

Charlie Curb Center for Faith Leadership

Creating Space by Jon Roebuck

Tattoos on the Heart by Gregory Boyle

Dr. Jon R. Roebuck serves as the Executive Director of Belmont University’s Rev. Charlie Curb Center for Faith Leadership.  The Center seeks to provide on-going educational opportunities for faith-based leaders across middle Tennessee in order to equip those leaders to be relevant to culture, relational to the community, and resolute in missional focus.  The Institute sponsors a number of on-campus seminars, workshops, and courses each semester.

He is the author of three devotional books, Christmas, Then and Now, Morning Conversations, and newly released, Creating SpaceAdditionally, he has written for a number of preaching periodicals and journals. Dr. Roebuck has also served on several boards and agencies for the Alabama and Tennessee Baptist conventions.

Jon and Linda Roebuck married in 1984 and have three grown children with their own families. Jon and Linda have always enjoyed different sports together but continue the debate of Auburn vs. University of Alabama football.

2_03: Daniel Im – Should You Stay or Should You Go?

2_03: Daniel Im – Should You Stay or Should You Go?

Breakthrough ideas with Daniel: 

  • What does it look like to live your life with our hands wide open saying, “Lord, here we are?”
  • Every leader, every pastor, goes through those seasons where restlessness clouds every conversation. What do you do?
  • A lot of leaders that come to those seasons of the restlessness, but how do we know if it’s really time to take the next step?
  • Does unsettledness come as a result of prayer and scripture? Or should unsettledness drive you to deeper times of prayer and time in the Word?
  • It is less critical where your feet are and more important as to where your heart is.
  • It doesn’t matter if we stay, and it doesn’t matter if we go, because we know that we are in God’s hands and that He is a good Father.
  • What would it look like to submit to the Lord rather than trying to lead our lives on our own?
  • Bigger and better opportunities aren’t necessarily always from God.
  • Sometimes God calls us to minister in obscurity for however long He wants, and sometimes He brings us out of that obscurity
  • Regardless of the attendance barrier that you want to grow or breakthrough, you need to move from doing to equipping.
  • You need to move from being a learner to a leader to a multiplier regardless of what barrier you want to breakthrough
  • The tendency that we have in the West is to copy and to model our ministries off of others rather than looking in the mirror and saying, “Okay. Who do we have here?”
  • Every church is unique. So what does it look like to look at yourself in the mirror, to look at your church in the mirror?
  • Church culture is simply the result of consistent decision-making around shared convictions.
  • It’s one thing for the pastor to have values. It’s another thing for those values to be shared within the organization and for us to make consistent decisions around them.
  • Discipleship is not “Here’s another program,” or, “Here is another study.”
  • How are you moving your entire church toward making disciples that make disciples that make disciples?
  • There are a lot of books written that call churches to mimic “Here’s what we do at our church. Just do this.”
  • What are the micro-shifts that will lead to a macro-change?
  • Close to 40% of America is a part of the gig economy, changing the way that we look at work, life, and love.
  • “You are what you experience” is a lie that’s risen to the surface because of Instagram and because of our culture.

Breakthrough resources in this episode:

The Next Right Thing by Emily P. Freeman

The Pastor by Eugene Peterson

No Silver Bullets by Daniel Im  

You Are What You Do by Daniel Im  

Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership by Ruth Haley Barton

Daniel Im is the Senior Associate Pastor of Beulah Alliance Church. His latest book is You Are What You Do: And Six Other Lies about Work, Life, and Love. He is also the author of No Silver Bullets and co-author of Planting Missional Churches. He co-hosts the New Churches Q&A Podcast, as well as the IMbetween Podcast. Daniel and his wife, Christina, live in Edmonton, Alberta with their three children. For more information, visit danielim.com and follow him on social media @danielsangi.

2_02: Jen Wilkin – A Gut Check on Biblical Literacy & Sound Preaching

2_02: Jen Wilkin – A Gut Check on Biblical Literacy & Sound Preaching

Breakthrough Ideas with Jen:

  • When you’re a single woman in the church, you usually kind of keep moving around because you don’t always fit very well.
  • We treated the Bible like it was magical, like if I open it up the Holy Spirit was just going to drop out insight on me just because I had been faithful to sit down and give it a little bit of my focus.
  • We treat the Bible, often with less respect than we would treat a common textbook or the works of Shakespeare.
  • We should recognize– obviously the Bible is much more than a book but it is at least a book. And that it would abide by some rules that all books abide by.
  • But the only way that person will be able to develop the sermon around what is sound teaching and what is not sound teaching is if they have firsthand knowledge of most of the text.
  • Those who had a platform became comfortable with holding the position of expert and those who sat in the pews became comfortable with holding the position of amateur.
  • The people in the seats took on this idea that they required someone to just download the interpretation and application of the text.
  • Most of us come to church to sit under teaching over passages that we had spent little-to-no time in ourselves prior to listening to that teaching.
  • The first guard against false teaching is knowing what the text says.
  • And the reality is the discipline is not dead. It just follows the most compelling message.
  • If people are giving their discretionary time a lot of other places and yet they’re not willing to give it to the church, well then that’s on us. That means that we’ve not communicated a compelling vision for why this matters.
  • You have to believe down to the soles of your feet that if people don’t have basic bible literacy if there are actually very negative consequences associated with that.
  • I have found almost without exception that people don’t know the bible.
  • Your people will never rise to an expectation that you have not set.
  • People actually gravitate toward committing to things that raise the bar, not things that lower the bar. That’s why people run marathons.
  • Our MO with Christian education for the last 30 years has been, “I don’t think they’ll do that.”
  • The first question that many of us in church leadership have asked has been, What do our people want?” And a better question, to begin with, is, “How are disciples formed?”
  • If we’re supposed to make disciples and teach them to obey all that Jesus has commanded, then what mechanism is going to allow us to do that?
  • The more organic a ministry model is, the harder it is for women, in particular, to opt in.
  • Because women are typically primary caregivers for at least one other human being, in order for us to opt into any commitment, we require a high level of structure, predictability, accountability, accessibility, excellence.
  • We need to have at least some spaces where we’re raising the bar and we’re asking more from our people, then those environments will require structure and accountability and predictability and accessibility, and that they’re done with excellence.
  • While I talk a lot about building Bible literacy, the little secret is that it’s not actually just Bible literacy that people are developing. It’s just literacy.
  • Is it any wonder that many teenagers leave home and don’t take the Bible seriously or don’t take Christianity seriously, when it has asked so little of them during their formative years?
  • In many churches, the needs of women are not heard with regularity just because of a leadership structure that is perhaps predominantly are all male.
  • Within the church, we have widows’ and orphans’ needs that can sometimes be missed by men in leadership if they don’t have access to regular input from the women in the congregation.
  • Anytime you start talking about women in leadership in the church, I’m either perceived to be a feminist by those who are more conservative or a patriarchalist by those who are more liberal
  • We’re committed to making sure that our church is a place where you could say, “That’s a church mother. That’s a spiritual mother for the women in our church. She’s visible. She’s obviously serving, contributing in good ways.”
  • The first common misstep that well-meaning men in leadership can make when they realize that they’re missing the voices of women is to say, “Oh, let’s  let’s ping our wives on this.”
  • Putting women into rooms where key decisions are being made means that you’re inviting someone into the room not just because they’re female but because they’re the right person to be in the room.

Breakthrough Resources in this Episode:

The Village Church Core Classes

The Knowledge of the Holy by AW Tozer

Jen Wilkin is an author and Bible teacher from Dallas, Texas. She has organized and led studies for women in home, church, and parachurch contexts. Her passion is to see others become articulate and committed followers of Christ, with a clear understanding of why they believe what they believe, grounded in the Word of God. She currently serves on the staff of The Village Church Institute. You can find her at JenWilkin.net.

2_01: Leonard Sweet – How Almonds Keep Us Focused on Jesus

2_01: Leonard Sweet – How Almonds Keep Us Focused on Jesus

Breakthrough Ideas with Len:

  • Show me a weakness inventory and I will show you where God can bless others through your life.
  • Our translation of the word “Word” for LOGOS is inadequate; we must embrace the tension.
  • In a “well curve world” we should live out of the overlap of opposites coming together.
  • Our world is both getting more global and more tribal – don’t resolve the tension and celebrate them.
  • We were made for this in between place… paradoxy is orthodoxy.
  • All middles are going, and churches who want to play safe in the middle will be going too.
  • The sanctuary should not be a safe place from risk, but instead be a safe place to take risk and bring the extremes together.
  • What does it mean for us to bring the extremes together and not resolve the tension?
  • Churches will be getting bigger and getting smaller, we cannot be afraid of the opposites.
  • The Early church had to be properly oriented – facing East toward the future of Christ’s return.
  • The double orienting of every church is toward the future and toward Christ.
  • Are we keeping our eyes on the future, or are we getting lost in programmatic distractions?
  • If we can keep our focus on Christ, we can have a future.

Breakthrough Resources in this Episode:


Rings of Fire: Walking in Faith through a Volcanic Future

Napkin Scribbles Podcast

Author of more than two hundred articles, 1500+ published sermons and sixty books, Leonard Sweet’s recent publications include the groundbreaking textbook on preaching, Giving Blood: A Fresh Paradigm for Preaching, the best-seller From Tablet to TableThe Bad Habits of Jesus, and the fall 2019 release of the twenty-year successor to SoulTsunamiRings of Fire: Walking in Faith Through a Volcanic Future.

Len often appears on the “50 Most Influential Christians in America” listings, and in 2010 was selected by the top non-English Christian website as one of the “Top 10 Influential World Christians of 2010”. His “Napkin Scribbles” podcasts can be accessed on leonardsweet.com or spotify. His Twitter and Facebook microblogs are ranked as some of the highest in the religious world.

Len works with graduate students at four institutions: Drew University, where he has occupied the E. Stanley Jones Chair, George Fox University, Tabor College, and Evangelical Seminary, where he currently holds the Charles Wesley Senior Professorship of Doctoral Studies. In 2015 he launched his own homiletics resource preachthestory.com. One of the most sought-after speakers in the religious world today, he resides on Orcas Island in the San Juan Islands.

17: Nick Floyd – Cross Church, Northwest AR

17: Nick Floyd – Cross Church, Northwest AR

Breakthrough ideas in this episode: 

  • It is essential to stop and recount the faithfulness of God. Keep memorials in front of yourself and your people to mark how God has moved.
  • What are the characteristics of a church built on dynamic worship and strong biblical teaching look?
  • You cannot reach your community until you know your community.
  • First, understand the culture you are called to reach, and then be intentional in how you lead them in, and toward, the gospel.
  • What are the front door events within your church that engage those in your community who wouldn’t naturally attend on a Sunday morning?
  • What is the difference in being a college church versus being a church with an active ministry to college students?
  • Being a church for every generation means being wise and intentional with everything you do… from how you worship to how you dress.
  • What is your standard of excellence in reaching people? Does this standard affect everything – even how you dress?
  • How do you steward and strengthen standards of excellence within the culture of your church?
  • Young leaders can reach older generations in a professional culture, as well as build confidence, by being intentional in small ways, even down to how they dress.
  • Your building only limits your ability to reach people in the ways that you allow it to. Thinking beyond the box is a critical skill.
  • Constantly, identifying and developing new leaders is the key to maintaining healthy systems and sustaining growth.
  • Leverage natural moments of connection, like Christmas and Easter, to recruit and engage new people in serving.
  • Volunteer leaders who are invested help recruit new volunteer leaders. Sold out leaders call out leaders.
  • To grow people and to grow a church, the staff must have the heart to raise and enlist others to do ministry, not just do it all themselves.
  • Continually re-establish the culture of development among your staff. You cannot rest on past recruiting success, even for a week.
  • Great people developers are leaders who are always with people. It’s not that hard.
  • When you are with people and have the heart to serve people, development and impact happen.
  • Numbers aren’t everything, but they do provide insight to the health and growth of a church.
  • The misuse of numbers in the past often causes church leadership today to run from healthy, and even Godly, ways to connect and keep up with people.
  • Keeping track of numbers, especially baptisms, helps keep track of the effectiveness of your mission.
  • Numbers do not tell the whole story, but they do provide a snapshot of the health of your church because disciple-making is a multiplicative action.
  • Do not be afraid to set goals around things that seem to be only a work of the Holy Spirit, because God will work through your intentional leadership. Healthy goals act as a reminder to lead and serve people well.
  • Campus pastors will be continually jolted with the shock that they are not the senior pastor. Understand this and lead accordingly.
  • Second chair leaders must realize that they are not the leader; God has not placed them in the primary leadership role. Therefore trust what God is doing in that first chair leader, even if you disagree.
  • In the second chair role, when conflict arises, choose to affect what you can. Focus on the things that you can change, not those things you cannot.
  • There is something that God honors and blesses when people who are under God’s authority follow His leading.
  • What do you do after achieving a significant milestone like moving into a new building? How do you keep peoples’ focus on the mission, beyond just the means to accomplishing the mission?
  • Spend time with the Lord in reading the Bible, every day and keep a prayer list that keeps you focused.
  • Young leaders must know that you cannot skip over the next ten years of your life. You’re not ready for all that the Lord has for you and this season is training and preparation.
  • Let the Lord do what he wants to do in you, then wait for Him to bring the leadership to you.


Breakthrough resources: 

Master Plan of Evangelism by Robert Coleman

Intimacy with the Almighty by Charles Swindoll

A Tale of Three Kings by Gene Edwards

Dr. Nick Floyd serves as the Lead Teaching Pastor & Staff Leader for all four campuses of Cross Church Northwest Arkansas. He teaches weekly at the Fayetteville Campus. Nick received his Bachelor’s degree in Biblical Studies from Liberty University and his Master of Divinity from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. He obtained his Doctor of Ministry degree from Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary. Nick is married to Meredith, and the couple has four children.


Episode #7: Barrett Bowden

Episode #7: Barrett Bowden

Breakthrough ideas with Barrett: 

  • How can a church reach Christians who live in the city, from within the city, not just the suburbs?
  • True fulfillment as a Christ-following leader comes from a deep sense of two key understandings.
  • Why it is important to bring yourself back to your calling as a leader, not someone else’s.
  • It is hard to truly rest if people are constantly in contact, and what to do about it.
  • Every leader needs to know their symptoms of exhaustion and unkempt health.
  • The importance of every small group having direct contact with this person.
  • Marry Biblical Gospel rooted purpose with a vocational dream and people are not just looking for a job after school, they are being sent into a calling.
  • The big problem of never really casting vision beyond week-to-week ministry engagement.
  • How does the horizon storyline work and why is it important?
  • Learn the art of “purposed nothingness” and how this makes room for the Holy Spirit.
  • The one big idea to having a church of deep maturing disciples who are loving caring people reaching the lost.
  • Three things that, together, are the source of life and effectiveness in ministry.

Breakthrough resources from this episode:

Island Community Church

Zeal Without Burnout by Christopher Ash

M’Cheyne Bible Reading Plan

God Dreams by Will Mancini

Dangerous Calling by Paul David Tripp

New Morning Mercies by Paul David Tripp

Barrett Bowden is the pastor of Island Community Church, a young and thriving congregation in downtown Memphis. Barrett has a heart for leading the church to invest in its unique, urban context and to cultivate missional leaders with a heart for the nations. Barrett is married to Michelle, an adolescent pediatrician in the Memphis area, and they have one adorable daughter, Caroline Jane.


Episode #6: Talbot Davis

Episode #6: Talbot Davis

Breakthrough ideas with Talbot: 

  • Twitter is a great place to improve as a wordsmith because it forces clarity of communication.
  • It is possible for social media to make you a better pastor and leader.
  • Making diversity the cause only results in political correctness, so make Jesus the cause and let diversity be the result.
  • Bringing diversity to staff means writing every job description carefully and hiring intentionally.
  • Knowing who you are as a church, and who you are not, brings incredible focus to a church.
  • The consistency of visionary identity from church leadership brings confidence in missional activity from the body.
  • Setting people up for lots of small wins eventually results in large victory in Jesus.
  • Be clear about your expectations for hiring and set up systems of accountability.
  • Normalize the things of the church that used to be remedial: healing prayers, altar calls, and being awake to the Spirit.
  • There is a difference in being a charismatic church and a church with a lot of charismatic people in it.
  • Processes can hinder leadership; sometimes you just need to take risks on people.
  • When it comes to staff hiring and firing, long hellos and short goodbyes are best.
  • Develop your gifts and hire others that make up for your unavoidable shortcomings.
  • Work every day and you will get better at what you do.

Breakthrough resources from this episode: 

Good Shepherd United Methodist Church

The Storm Before the Calm by Talbot Davis

Head Scratchers by Talbot Davis 

Crash Test Dummies by Talbot Davis

Communicating for a Change by Andy Stanley

Talbot Davis is Pastor of Good Shepherd United Methodist Church, a modern congregation in Charlotte, North Carolina. Talbot helps lead a talented group of pastors and support staff. Talbot makes sure everyone knows that he married well, and now has two adult children. A lifetime of playing tennis consistently shapes how he leads and thinks about the world. Talbot has published five books through Abington Press as resources for both life groups and preachers in training.


Episode #5: Eric Geiger

Episode #5: Eric Geiger

Breakthrough ideas with Eric:

  • Leadership transitions will always happen, but what actually makes succession a success?
  • Following God involves holding two conflicting emotions in tension: grieving what has been and anticipating what will be.
  • There will always be unfinished work. The “unconquered territory” reminds us the work is God’s not ours.
  • How can pastors keep their heart connected to the community they are called to reach?
  • In seasons of transition, caring for your family is as important as the mechanics of moving.
  • When it comes to your family don’t try to be perfect… just be ordinary. There is beauty in an ordinary marriage.
  • The demands of ministry will never be satisfied and making approval an idol will end in ruin.
  • People will always be disappointed in some part of your ministry; therefore slow down, care for your family, and play the long game.


Breakthrough resources from this episode:

Love Without Walls  by Laurie Beshore

CSB Bible

The Gospel Project

Insights Team Building Tool 

Designed to Lead by Eric Geiger & Kevin Peck

Simple Church by Eric Geiger & Thom Rainer

How to Ruin Your Life by Eric Geiger 

Spiritual Leadership by Oswald Sanders

The Cross of Christ by John Stott

Auxano’s Leadership Pipeline

E-Myth Revisited by Michael Gerber

Eric Geiger is the Senior Pastor of Mariners Church in Irvine, California. Before moving to Southern California, Eric served as senior vice-president for LifeWay Christian Services. Eric received his doctorate in leadership and church ministry from Southern Seminary. Eric has authored or co-authored several books including the best selling church leadership book, Simple Church. Eric is married to Kaye, and they have two daughters: Eden and Evie. During his free time, Eric enjoys dating his wife, taking his daughters to the beach, and playing basketball.


Episode #4: Todd Adkins

Episode #4: Todd Adkins

Breakthrough Ideas with Todd Adkins: 

  • There is a difference between just placing leaders in a role and actually developing leaders for ministry.
  • Great leaders are not just intuitive, they are highly intentional as well.
  • Systems, process, and structure are critical but the relationship moves people.
  • We can do leadership gatherings better by leveraging both technology and collaboration.
  • Stop training for the lowest common denominator in the room… raise the bar.

Breakthrough Resources in this Episode:

Systems Thinking

Building a Story Brand

The Power of Moments

When – The Art of Perfect Timing

Tim Ferris podcast w/ Daniel Pink


LifeWay Leadership Pipeline Conference

5 Leadership Questions Podcast

Todd Adkins is the Director of Leadership Development at LifeWay Christian Resources in Nashville, TN. Prior to joining LifeWay, Todd worked in the local church in student ministry and as a campus and executive pastor. He has a background in launching strategic initiatives and web-based leadership development, and he’s passionate about helping churches create cultures of pipelines, leadership development, and training pathways for every role in the church. Since joining LifeWay, Todd has spearheaded the development of Ministry Grid, Lifeway’s dynamic leadership development platform, and written Developing Your Leadership Pipeline, a tool to aid church leaders in developing their people. He also hosts the 5 Leadership Questions and New Churches podcast and tweets #Leadership incessantly at @ToddAdkins.

Episode #3: Brady Cooper

Episode #3: Brady Cooper

Breakthrough Ideas with Brady Cooper:

  • To fight complacency in the church, we must stay hungry evangelistically.
  • Building a church culture that engages men, requires a shared value toward challenging men.
  • For his staff, the intentional discipleship of 2-3 other people is not up for negotiation.
  • Keeping your family healthy is your primary responsibility as a senior pastor.
  • Growing a thriving church can quickly produce a starving family, pastors can and should seek professional help.

Brady’s call to preach came during his days at Belmont College. After graduating from Belmont and later from Southern Seminary, he served New Vision Baptist Church as the youth pastor. Brady left for First Baptist Hendersonville and returned in 2003 to serve as New Vision’s Senior Pastor. The church has grown from 400 to 5,000 in weekly attendance over the last 15 years, with three campuses (one inside of a jail!). Most days off for Brady include hunting, fishing or enjoying a great ball game.

Breakthrough Resources:

Accidental Pharisees by Larry Osborne

New Vision Outdoors 

RealTime Congregational Survey

Episode #2: Dave Rhodes

Episode #2: Dave Rhodes

Breakthrough Ideas with Dave Rhodes:

  • The physical location of your church and the mission of your church should be inseparable.
  • Moving to the fringe of the organization, instead of the center, empowers younger generations to step up and lead.
  • Boomers and Millennials CAN get along; however, each generation must take a different approach to the other.
  • You cannot multiply the church at the rate of possible opportunity, only at the rate of people development.
  • Are you working to rest or resting to rest? Why this matters.

Dave currently works as the Pastor of Discipleship and Movement Initiatives at Grace Fellowship Church and co-founder of Younique in Atlanta, Georgia. He is a sought-after speaker, writer, consultant, and coach. He is the co-founder of Wayfarer, former US Team leader for 3DM, and a collaborative partner for several other movement organizations specializing in discipleship, leadership, and mission.

Breakthrough Resources:

The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard

100 Movements


Church Unique by Will Mancini